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COPA: You know longer have this laptop or paper copy?
SM: No
COPA: no emails or texts from 2008-9 mentioning this?
SM: No
COPA: Or CSW talking about digital currency generally?
SM: They were in person and verbal in my office. Having said that, there were 3-4 other people working in my office with whom he also had similar discussions. they have asked not to be mentioned.
COPA: The only evidence is you and Craig's accounts?
SM: Yes
COPA: Are you aware there are different accounts on how it was provided?
SM: Tell me more about it
COPA: He said it was a hard copy and you recall it as a USB.
SM: Maybe he had a hard copy, but he handed me a USB stick.
COPA: Have you seen this?
SM: Once
COPA: Is this document given to you in 2008?
SM: No
COPA: Mentioning Craig here. O'Hagan: "An eccentric guy, Wright had given Matthews a doc by Satoshi Nakamoto..." You said it wasn't signed by Satoshi though. So the O'Hagan account is wrong?
SM: I didn't tell Andrew that the doc said Satoshi. O'Hagan is an author. I can only assume he is assuming and attributing because everyone knows it now.
COPA: So O'Hagan says he got it then from you.
SM: He said what he said, but it wasn't me who said that.
COPA: Your account now is at odds with the story you gave O'Hagan and Wright's account.
SM: Andrew isn't accurate.
COPA: Also not corroborated with any docs.
SM: And inaccurate.
COPA: And now it is part of the big reveal plan.
SM: the big reveal was a Rob plan. He was working closely with O'Hagan. I wasn't closely involved.
COPA: So you didn't have involvement?
SM: It was discussed with Wright and Ayre and Wright's lawyer from Clayton Utz...
COPA: The story of you receiving the white paper before publication is a lie.
SM: It is true.
COPA: It's a lie
SM: I had to endure this sort of harassment [almost tearing up for a second] from CAH threatening me about coming to this court. I'm going to sit here and lie. It's the absolute truth.
COPA: It's a lie that CSW had digital currency plans in 2007, isn't it?
SM: He made a submission to Centrebet in early 2009. If I had accepted, it would have been the first app built on bitcoin. Immutable logging of the timestamp server.
COPA: You said he worked with you as a security advisor.
SM: on our security advisory board.
COPA: You describe a convo in MArch 2009 about $500. "I'll give you 50,000 bitcoin" conversation. It's a very odd story to have a colleague offering you something of no value for $500, isn't it?
SM: Yes. I remember the day vividly. When he asked for the money, I reached for my checkbook. Then he mentioned bitcoin and I closed my breifcase because I wasn't interested.
COPA: Why not ask a question? Like "is your system operating?"
SM: I knew it was operating. He told me it was in January [2009]
COPA: He was offering something of unknown value, and you didn't ask?
SM: Didn't care.
COPA: This story is used to support his claims including in interviews with COinGeek, haven't you?
SM: Many other times too, yes.
COPA: You rejected his logging idea?
SM: due to cost and timing.
COPA: You later took the view it was a blockchain system?
SM: Some portions of it. the canary honeypot part was actually implemented. The full immutable log system wasn't.
COPA: That's a generic decoy for security systems. It doesn't necessary denote special knowledge of bitcoin.
SM: But an immutable timestampe server does.
COPA: But another bit only you know or have spoken about.
SM: I did see a copy of the proposal in the Kleiman trial.
COPA: forensics experts debunked the authenticity of that document. Wright may have been discussing honeypot systems. He certainly didn't propose anything with blockchain.
SM: They were timestamp servers.
COPA: Your last year at Centrebet was late 2010 into 2011?
SM: Yes
COPA: You moved to UK and were working as lead something at Tyche?
SM: Yea, a tech provider to gambling companies.
COPA: Bodog?
SM: Yes
COPA: Ayre?
SM: Yes
COPA: Tyche wasn't just Rob McGrego...
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COPA: You know longer have this laptop or paper copy?
SM: No
COPA: no emails or texts from 2008-9 mentioning this?
SM: No
COPA: Or CSW talking about digital currency generally?
SM: They were in person and verbal in my office. Having said that, there were 3-4 other people working in my office with whom he also had similar discussions. they have asked not to be mentioned.
COPA: The only evidence is you and Craig's accounts?
SM: Yes
COPA: Are you aware there are different accounts on how it was provided?
SM: Tell me more about it
COPA: He said it was a hard copy and you recall it as a USB.
SM: Maybe he had a hard copy, but he handed me a USB stick.
COPA: Have you seen this?
SM: Once
COPA: Is this document given to you in 2008?
SM: No
COPA: Mentioning Craig here. O'Hagan: "An eccentric guy, Wright had given Matthews a doc by Satoshi Nakamoto..." You said it wasn't signed by Satoshi though. So the O'Hagan account is wrong?
SM: I didn't tell Andrew that the doc said Satoshi. O'Hagan is an author. I can only assume he is assuming and attributing because everyone knows it now.
COPA: So O'Hagan says he got it then from you.
SM: He said what he said, but it wasn't me who said that.
COPA: Your account now is at odds with the story you gave O'Hagan and Wright's account.
SM: Andrew isn't accurate.
COPA: Also not corroborated with any docs.
SM: And inaccurate.
COPA: And now it is part of the big reveal plan.
SM: the big reveal was a Rob plan. He was working closely with O'Hagan. I wasn't closely involved.
COPA: So you didn't have involvement?
SM: It was discussed with Wright and Ayre and Wright's lawyer from Clayton Utz...
COPA: The story of you receiving the white paper before publication is a lie.
SM: It is true.
COPA: It's a lie
SM: I had to endure this sort of harassment [almost tearing up for a second] from CAH threatening me about coming to this court. I'm going to sit here and lie. It's the absolute truth.
COPA: It's a lie that CSW had digital currency plans in 2007, isn't it?
SM: He made a submission to Centrebet in early 2009. If I had accepted, it would have been the first app built on bitcoin. Immutable logging of the timestamp server.
COPA: You said he worked with you as a security advisor.
SM: on our security advisory board.
COPA: You describe a convo in MArch 2009 about $500. "I'll give you 50,000 bitcoin" conversation. It's a very odd story to have a colleague offering you something of no value for $500, isn't it?
SM: Yes. I remember the day vividly. When he asked for the money, I reached for my checkbook. Then he mentioned bitcoin and I closed my breifcase because I wasn't interested.
COPA: Why not ask a question? Like "is your system operating?"
SM: I knew it was operating. He told me it was in January [2009]
COPA: He was offering something of unknown value, and you didn't ask?
SM: Didn't care.
COPA: This story is used to support his claims including in interviews with COinGeek, haven't you?
SM: Many other times too, yes.
COPA: You rejected his logging idea?
SM: due to cost and timing.
COPA: You later took the view it was a blockchain system?
SM: Some portions of it. the canary honeypot part was actually implemented. The full immutable log system wasn't.
COPA: That's a generic decoy for security systems. It doesn't necessary denote special knowledge of bitcoin.
SM: But an immutable timestampe server does.
COPA: But another bit only you know or have spoken about.
SM: I did see a copy of the proposal in the Kleiman trial.
COPA: forensics experts debunked the authenticity of that document. Wright may have been discussing honeypot systems. He certainly didn't propose anything with blockchain.
SM: They were timestamp servers.
COPA: Your last year at Centrebet was late 2010 into 2011?
SM: Yes
COPA: You moved to UK and were working as lead something at Tyche?
SM: Yea, a tech provider to gambling companies.
COPA: Bodog?
SM: Yes
COPA: Ayre?
SM: Yes
COPA: Tyche wasn't just Rob McGrego...
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